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THE SJ CHILDS SHOW-Building a Community of Inclusion
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THE SJ CHILDS SHOW-Building a Community of Inclusion
Episode 328-Farming Revolution: Regenerative Agriculture's Impact on Health, Autism and More
Dive deep into the fascinating world where regenerative agriculture meets human health with landscape architect and author Matthew Mehuys. From his roots on a Belgian family farm to his current mission transforming farmland in the Azores, Matthew shares how his personal journey through crisis became the catalyst for his life's purpose.
The conversation reveals startling truths about our modern food system. After World War II, military chemicals found new homes in agriculture, dramatically increasing yields while unknowingly setting the stage for soil degradation and nutritional decline. Matthew explains how this "Green Revolution" prioritized quantity over quality, transforming even our wheat into heavier, gluten-loaded varieties designed for profit rather than nutrition.
Most compelling is the revelation about regenerative farming's climate potential: converting just half of global farms to regenerative methods could return atmospheric carbon to pre-industrial levels within seven years. This isn't just environmentalism—it's a practical solution to our most pressing planetary challenge while producing more nutritious food.
Host Sarah Bradford shares her powerful personal experience removing casein and gluten from her autistic son's diet, witnessing him speak 50 words within a week after being non-verbal. Their discussion bridges the gap between food production methods and human health outcomes, suggesting that how we grow our food profoundly impacts our wellbeing.
Whether you're concerned about climate change, interested in health optimization, or simply curious about where your food comes from, this episode offers transformative insights into how supporting regenerative agriculture through everyday purchasing decisions can create meaningful change. As Matthew says, "The way you buy your products is what really changes the world."
Check out Matthew's book "12 Universal Laws of Nature" and connect with him on social media for practical guidance on regenerative gardening and sustainable living.
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Speaker 2:We are back. Hello, it's so nice to have you here today and you're in probably one of the most beautiful places in the world, closest to the equator. Lucky you, and you know there's. They say that that is like the the best frequency on the earth is to be by there. Maybe I could come that down there someday over there I'm not sure which way it is from you. It's so nice to have you here today. Thanks for taking your time to come and share with us, um, your well of experiences and, uh, share a little bit about yourself with us today. So, thank you so much. We are joined by Matthew. I'm going to say it wrong, so I'm going to say Matthew and I'm not going to pronounce your last name either, but please introduce yourself so that we can hear it correctly.
Speaker 2:And I don't do any damage to anything.
Speaker 3:Thank you. Thank you very much for having me on your show. I'm very excited about what you do, and so my full name is Mathieu Mehuys, or you could say Matthew Myhouse, if we like translate it literally. So yeah, I was born on a farm, I'm a landscape architect and I work with a lot of things where I can tell you my backstory, if you want, please, with a lot of things where I can tell you my backstory, if you want Please. So yeah, like I said, I grew up on a family farm. Both my father and my brother are still active farmers today, and it's a farm that I grew up in. At the time, it was still a more industrial chemicals farm, and we're currently transitioning it to become a regenerative and organic farm, which is a work in progress.
Speaker 3:But when I grew up on the farm, sarah, I was about five years old probably less even, but it was my earliest memory. I was so fascinated about how plants grow. So, around the time I was six years old, I told my parents I want to start my own garden. So I had a school teacher who was teaching us how to make cuttings, how to seed, how to do all of that stuff, and I did that and, from learning it from my teacher, I said, okay, I'm going to do it at home. I started out it was a complete disaster because I had no clue. I was growing more weeds than anything else, even though at first I was growing. Radishes is the easiest crop to grow. It gives you like if you want to start vegetable growing, start with radishes. Within four to six weeks you'll have something to harvest and to eat. So when I was six years old, I was so proud of growing my first radishes. But then I yeah, I was. I was completely failing. I had no clue why. So I went on into my life. I actually also had a chicken egg business in our farm. I had 20 chicken. I was collecting my eggs every day. I was selling them to friends and connections of my parents. That was a lot of fun.
Speaker 3:And then by the time I got 18, I said I want to study something tangible and something that I can be outdoors. So I studied garden and landscape design. I then went on to do a master's in landscape architecture in Germany and Munich, which was designed for big scale projects, and then I did what was kind of expected of me to get a nine to five job, right, it's like that's the thing you study and then you get a nine to five. And I was doing that for two and a half years. And, sarah, I became so depressed from being in that nine to five because it wasn't for me to be in like this rigid system. I'm very grateful that I did it, because I learned a whole lot about how to do proper planning in big scale projects, because the Germans are very like, they're very yeah, they're some of the best engineers in the world. So I was working in that environment.
Speaker 3:But then I quit my job and I hit the road. I said I'm going to travel the world and find the most amazing eco projects in the world. So I went to eco resorts, I worked on farms, I went to Southeast Asia, to South America I've been to like a bunch of places to South Africa and I learned so much from this experience. And then actually I went to the Amazon rainforest and because I wanted to see what is like the deepest, real, pristine nature and it was so impressive that I was like, wow, this is so amazing. We have to preserve this or we have to make sure that we make sure that our environment can sustain this beautiful piece on our planet.
Speaker 3:And then, sarah, I got really sick. Um, I I got a disease that's called dengue from actually going to the Amazon rainforest and I actually was. I had lost all my money. Then I was done by my girlfriend. I had to move in back with my parents. So everything went south in a short time. But in retrospect it was the best thing that ever happened to me, because I was kind of like rock bottom and I said like, okay, why am I here on this planet? What am I doing here? And from that I was like okay, I'm actually here to make sure that we can protect this beautiful, pristine nature. And how can we do that? Well, I know garden design and landscape. If I get people to do it in a regenerative, organic way, then we're actually going to make the world a better place and we're going to help people in their direct environment.
Speaker 3:Because I'll tell you, sarah, in the, in the gardening industry, there's so much chemicals as well that that are being used. Like in some cases, if you have a, a lawn that's maintained by by a normal, conventional um landscaping company, you actually don't want to be rolling in that grass because it's full of chemicals and it's poisoning your family. So from that mission I started my company, which is called Polonia Landscape Architects, and it soon went off and now we have clients in four continents, even because I love traveling, and I also wrote a book which is called 12 Universal Laws of Nature how to get the most potential out of your land, which won awards. I was featured in a documentary called the Cure an inside joke, which is all about holistic health and like there's all kinds of practitioners in the movie which are chiropractors, natural healers, which is all amazing. And I'm kind of the odd fish in the pond, kind of like the black sheep there, because I'm talking about farming and growing food and growing your own garden, because that has a massive impact on your health and it will definitely have an impact on belief and I'd love to hear your perspective on that on autism as well. So that's what I've been doing today and now I live in in and I was grown up in in Belgium, but I moved to the Azores because something drew me to come here and it's been a great choice, because now this beautiful island is there's.
Speaker 3:There's something happening with farmers that a lot of farmers it's actually a global trend A lot of farmers are getting into retirement age and their children don't necessarily want to continue the farming business because they've seen how much their parents have suffered and how hard it is, which is a whole other story. We could talk about why it's become so difficult, which is the pharmaceuticals and chemical companies that made it really hard for farmers. But anyways, those farms are up for sale now and farmers don't necessarily want to sell it to anyone. So I'm connecting investors that want to do impactful investing so they can buy those farmlands, and then I'm also continuing to transform it into a regenerative farm that produces healthy foods that people can come, because there's quite a lot of tourism here, so people can experience the Azorean tradition. So, yeah, I'm just in the middle of the Atlantic in a small island group doing what I can.
Speaker 2:I love it. And how lucky am I that I now have two friends in Azores. Okay, oh wow. I'm definitely coming splitting my vacation. No, just joking. Yeah, so exciting.
Speaker 3:Come, we'd love to host you here and show you the island. It's magical.
Speaker 2:My friend, mishka Seibert. If you don't already know her, maybe I need to connect you two. She's incredible too, and doing incredible things, so that place must bring magic to those who live there, because, yeah, she's also just like a whirlwinding, like fascinating individual. Like a whirlwinding, like fascinating individual, well, that's so. I think that you really have something to.
Speaker 2:You know so much value in what you're doing, because when we really go back to it, this, the land, is where everything began. That's where all of creation began, was from the earth, and I think that we've gotten so far away and now we're really in this um era where we're kind of looking back at, maybe, where we've missed and the missing links or the, the roads that have missed, you know, crossed one another, and paths that we've taken incorrectly, like all of the chemicals and all of the, but I guess that that's just kind of part of the evolution of our, of our world and our our life and humans, um, but I think that it's, it's fascinating and I love that you kind of had the experience, um, to have the contrast.
Speaker 2:I don't love that you got sick and you, you know that's no, that's horrible. But to have contrast and be able to see, um, what is is happening, especially on a global scale, is so big and there are so many that will be listening and seeing this, that don't have that opportunity, that don't have that um experience and and seeing this, that don't have that opportunity, that don't have that experience, and how much that actually grows your mind and your thoughts and your ideas and your passion, probably for community more than anything else. I think that going back to kind of basics is really where we need to start, with our parenting as well. I was just talking to my husband about this the other day and we have teenagers and we were talking about the idea that parents have to be in control of their teenage person all the time and how absurd that is and how, when they were pioneers or whatever you know, they were just like traveling, like they weren't concerned. The adults were doing what they needed to do.
Speaker 2:The children were like kind of following and it was this, do it in your own time, kind of in your own way experience that we've really gotten away from, from all of the control and expectations that we have of today, and I think that that goes from business all the way down into our homes, right into our homes, right, and that it's this like mentality of control and it's it's it's dangerous and I don't think it really brings like fruitful, you know, experiences or opportunities to people. What do you think and how can farming and agriculture really start changing and sustainable, like you said, like um, to explain them to us a little bit about like what that means for someone that might not understand that and how that could start changing our society that's a great question.
Speaker 3:So if we just go a little bit back in history, not even that long ago and it's one of your presidents who said it I think that farming is the backbone of society. So the way we treat our farmers is the way our society is going. So we could start like blaming people and doing all that stuff, stuff, but it's not very valuable, even though it's important to know the history of farming. So what happened is that during the first and second world war there was a lot of chemical warfare. So they started to use chemicals in, especially in the first world war um, a little less than the second because there was regulations, believe it or not. A little less than a second, because there was regulations, believe it or not. But then the world Still a lot of the bombs were made with nitrogen and nitrogen is very explosive. So then the World War ended and so all these military companies and build bombs and all the chemicals were like shit, we have all this stuff. We can't, we can't sell it anymore because there's no more war, so let's. And and then they started experimenting with throwing it on the field and looking at what, how plants react to it, and, interestingly enough, they found out that, throwing on it on plants, it actually increased the yields and it increased the productivity of farming. And that's what happened in the 50s, which they called the Green Revolution. It's an excelling speed at which the productivity of farming increased drastically. In fact, that revolution, we could even say, pretty much eradicated world hunger. Now you can still argue today, there is still some world hunger. Now you can still argue today there is still some world hunger. It has to do with climate change, which is another thing we have to well, which is the biggest challenge of our modern time, I think.
Speaker 3:But back then it eradicated world hunger pretty much, and at the same time, and at the same time, what they didn't know, I believe, is that it has a devastating effect on the soil. So, as we're adding all these chemicals, we're actually exploiting the soil, we're making it, we're destructing it. And if you look at our planet, the biggest land use on our planet is agriculture. So then, the way we did, industrial farming on a mega scale across the globe has been destroying our soils, and when soils are destroyed, it's very hard to produce healthy food. So now there's and they say, like you can only do 50 harvests in an industrial way. So we're getting in that tipping point where farmland is no longer as productive or we have to keep adding more chemicals and more fertilizer every year. So it's becoming more expensive for farmers to reach the same amount of yields, which, at the same time, food prices are not going up as much as the costs are extending. So this is like a system which is completely unsustainable. It's like it's a dead end. So now, luckily, there's good news.
Speaker 3:There's something which is called regenerative farming, which is based more on natural systems, because and I talk about that in my book, 12 universal laws of nature is that our planet works in a certain way. It has been working in a certain way for millions and millions of years. Now we can try, and we can try and fight against that which was the industrial farming is like exploiting from nature and and pretty much destroying the soil, or we could actually try and work with nature and still get what we need. So when we focus more on natural systems such as photosynthesis, like this is how plants grow and we add, we find ways to add nutrients to the soil in a natural way, for example through composting or other systems then we can actually produce abundance of food, which is also good for our environment.
Speaker 3:Because when you do regenerative farming, as a little side effect I always say like people are focusing on it now, but it's kind of a side effect is that it's storing huge amounts of carbon dioxide that is in our atmosphere, whereas the industrial way of tilling and chemicals and all that stuff it's adding more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere.
Speaker 3:So it's speeding up climate change the way we are farming, whereas if we do the regenerative way, it's something called carbon farming, where we're actually putting a lot of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. So you could say, like the agricultural complex, the whole system of our food, it is the biggest impactor of climate change. But at the same time, that's where the solutions lay. Like if we, if we have the ability to transform half of the farms and make them regenerative, within seven years we could be in pre-industrial revolution levels of carbon dioxide, which means we can reverse climate change in seven years. And there's very few people talk that. Talk about that because the the most, the biggest paradigm is like we have to reduce emissions, we have to stop all this stuff, but nobody's focusing on like we can actually reverse it so we can also keep our um yeah, the comfortable lives that we have, we don't necessarily have to change them. We can actually produce abundance of healthy food when we do it regeneratively.
Speaker 2:So that's, in a nutshell, why agriculture is probably the most important thing of our of our modern times as well I think that's so fascinating and, just being a beginning gardener myself, like I can literally feel the difference from one side of my yard to the next, where the concrete has taken over and cannot be cooled, and it just heats up and heats up and reflects and heats up some more. And then I go on to the other side of my yard where it's all grass and plants and trees and it's cool and the ground is cool and it can cool itself down. And have we been thinking about this, anyone Like? There's obvious effects right in front of us that are being just kind of not looked at at all, isn't?
Speaker 1:that interesting.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, you really can.
Speaker 2:You can just like there's a huge difference in the way that the ground can cool itself, or because I'm in a hot desert and so I need to try to stay cool as much as possible.
Speaker 2:Yes, but I think that the the importance of of looking at this isn't it is something that we're really lucky to be in this era and generation of having wonderful experts like you who are seeing more than just the small details, but the big picture, um and that's something that we really appreciate, especially here on my show is is being able to see, larger than than the, the ideas that people might have in front of them, because we are, um, you know, not only enjoying the earth every day for ourselves, but those of us who are have, have children or bringing families into it. We want the earth to be around for them and we want to be able to be um kind of at uh, being able to be sustainable in our um agriculture. I think that that is is so smart and obviously, like you had mentioned earlier, the effects that these foods have on our bodies is just undeniable the processed foods, the chemicals. We're seeing generations of what those effects can be. Generations of what those effects can be, and how nice will it be if more of us can get onto the idea that the um growing our own foods and and creating this um self-sustainable ecosystem for our families, uh is such an important and um an idea that we all should be looking into.
Speaker 3:If anything, I agree. I think it's becoming a necessity in the world because a lot of the foods in many countries, including the US, it's not made for consumption, it's packed with chemicals. Consumption like it's packed with chemicals uh, I think I saw an article that in the us there's, or the the european union is banning around 2 000 chemicals that are not banned in the in the us for farm production and food processing. So if you're buying stuff, even organic, because even organic is is not as good as it sounds like, still it's your best bet, but it's just packed with chemicals. And then I'm I'm curious to know from your perspective as well, and how much you think that it affects autism. Do you think there's a correlation between the chemicals and autism, or is that a misconception?
Speaker 2:Oh, I think that that's a wonderful question.
Speaker 2:There's an article that's I'm going to answer it kind of two-sided there, because an article just recently came out that was stating that they had taken the DNA from a Neanderthal and they were seeing, um, autistic aspects in that there were in the like hunter gatherer type of um, uh, I guess, actions that they would display.
Speaker 2:Which makes me feel really good, because in my early days of researching and doing, I was a medical paralegal before I became an autism mom and so, excuse me, when I was doing my research, I had just a really good idea of what I was looking at and how to go through the information and sort it, and what I found in all of my reading in the whole was an understanding of evolution more than anything else, an understanding that throughout all of this time, these types of brains have been uncovering and unfolding and revealing themselves, if you will, throughout time, and so I think it's fascinating. However, I do full-heartedly believe in the idea that there are chemicals out there that can cause symptomatic effects that resemble autistic characteristics, if you will for maybe non-speaking or stimming or physical effects.
Speaker 2:And I only say that due to the fact that my whole family is autistic. I'm late diagnosed. My son was diagnosed at 18 months 16, 18 months and he was very severe and at the time he was non-speaking, he would spin circles, he would hum and flap his arms and all the same he was reading. I had found this reading program I was working with him with and he was showing me that he could read and so I could see this, um, uh, this difficult kind of where he as a human, you know, had all of this knowledge and information and he was getting all of this but the output was that's where he struggled. He struggled with all of this output of the information or the energy or what he was dealing with In my research. I also somebody had sent to me an article or a website about gluten and casein and I thought, okay, that's interesting. But I didn't want to just be like fad diet, you know, throw my kid into something I didn't understand. And so I fully researched what is gluten, what is casein? They are both proteins.
Speaker 2:Protein. I believe that protein inflammation is kind of the underlying is kind of the underlying, like that's. The underlier is what I'll call it, and I think that protein malfunction um hasn't been, uh, researched enough, like they're not. Maybe they can start looking at that and how that function, because when I removed the case in which was the first protein that I removed from his body, because when I was learning about what the casein could affect, I was learning it could cause inflammation in the neuropaths, it could cause inflammation connecting the synapses to maybe block my child's ability to speak.
Speaker 2:Um, and this, of course, is so individual. I'm not a scientist, I'm not a medical doctor. I'm just a mom who is an autistic, very smart mom who is on a mission to do whatever I could Right and um, we took the case now. Now he had been reading and writing for nearly three years and he was only five years old. But as soon as the casein was removed, within the first week and I went back and I checked these things, I recorded everything he spoke 50 words within the first week of removing casein from his system, within the first week of removing Kacen from his system. Of course, we never went back and he has semi-verbal abilities. He doesn't have wonderful reciprocative conversation skills that's something we'll be working on but his ability to verbalize is there, and now that was something that was a gift that every mother wants to hear their child speak. And now that was something that was a gift that you know every mother wants to hear their child speak.
Speaker 2:And it was incredible.
Speaker 3:I also have another friend who's brought up her autistic son and they're doing amazing things. I even think that autism is a super gift, because you can see things that other people can't see. There's a beautiful movie. I don't know if you've watched it. I can highly recommend it. It's called temple grandin. Have you heard of that one?
Speaker 2:oh, I've had temple on the show she's oh, you're kidding me.
Speaker 3:Wow, no, yeah, that's amazing thank you, yeah, she's a, she's a superhero for regenerative farming. Yes, what she does for for cow and animal welfare is amazing.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Yeah, I hadn't thought of that. That would be a connection for you, but 100%, 100% I really love what you know she's.
Speaker 3:I'd love to get her on my show.
Speaker 2:Actually, I'll send her a you know recommendation, but yeah, I think that it's, it's beautiful, and what she was able to do was really start to show the world that a different type of brain wasn't a disease or a problem or a behavioral inconsistency. It was a pattern of thinking and of learning that hadn't been looked at before and hadn't been given enough attention to. And now we can be so grateful that we can have those you know tools to use. And one quote we like to say is a little bit of knowledge turns fear into understanding, fear into understanding, and that's a lot. What she did was turn that fear into understanding with, just by acknowledging and giving those, uh, that community, her community, the knowledge of what she was going through. So I couldn't agree more. Um, you know as, and then I'll finish with this gluten story, and then we're back to you.
Speaker 2:But the um, the, when we took the gluten, um, we waited eight weeks before we took gluten out of DJ's diet as well, as the case in, and what I saw then and in my, also in my research, I'll back up and say that I found that the gluten could cause obviously a lot of digestive problems in where I kind of viewed as hmm, maybe this is why my child is spinning so much, maybe he's trying to organize or some sort of you know, regulate his body in some way. That is not happening, that his you know body isn't doing for him. And when we took out the gluten, right away, the most of the stimming stopped, the humming, the flapping, the spinning, um, all of those behaviors and physical manifestations of of whatever he was going through with, that inflammation had stopped. And you know it's really hard because Not everyone, it's not going to work for everyone, because everyone is built with a different biological and chemical makeup and they react to things differently. This was just our experience.
Speaker 3:I love it because I do believe the major factor is food in your story here, yeah, and the way food is produced, and, if you want, I can tell you about why there's gluten in our food, do you?
Speaker 3:know, why so? The, the food production system after world war ii, moved away from quality and and local systems to a global market of producing food on a mega scale, and then the only thing that mattered more more than quality was quantity. So the, you're trading grains on the on the like it's like a stock market, and so the only goal that that, or the shift was from from quality grains to as much kilogram per hectare. And then what they found out is that they started to select breeds of grains that just they are just heavier in weight, and the single biggest determination of how you can increase the weight of a grain is when the gluten content is way higher. So gluten weighs way more than, or it makes the grains heavier, and when your your grain is heavier, you'll get more tons per hectare or per acre, and that's how you make the most amount of money as a farmer. You can't blame the farmers, because just how the system started to work, so all of the, the, the breads of, of grains that were made for bread and even for animal fodder, is is directed to weighing heavy and not on nutritional value. So that's a huge mistake. And now I'm strongly believing that that shift will move away again, because, if we can focus on on quality more than quantity, because you can eat five loaves of bread that have high amounts of gluten but they don't have any minerals or or things that are actually good for you, whereas whereas if you go to a, if you go to italy or france, they have amazing old grains and they make amazing pasta and bread and there's still gluten in it. It's just not in such a high level. So people are super healthy there and they're skinny. Even in Italy there's very few people that are overweight. So that's also.
Speaker 3:Another misconception in food is that carbs are bad for you. That's getting debunked. It's not the carbs, it's the type of carbs. When it's full of gluten, then of course, carbs are bad for you. But if it's an older breed of grains and you make sourdough bread and it's it's super tasty and healthy for you, then it's it's perfect. So that's kind of the backstory of why the food that your child was eating was just not good for him. And it's not, it's for everyone. Yeah, it's not just for people with autism. You, you have a bunch of diseases from eating high gluten products.
Speaker 2:Isn't that the truth? And we're at a really, really tipping point, I think. Like you said where we are just today, I'm going to go down to my local farmers co-op and I'm going to pick up a big box of fruits and vegetables that came off of a farm here locally in Salt Lake City. Thank goodness, right that I have that kind of thing available to me.
Speaker 3:That puts a big smile on my face.
Speaker 2:I love it. I can't wait. I'm really, really excited. So, yeah, it's today's, today's pickup day, so we'll have our, our fridge and counter stocked with all the good stuff for the week and that actually makes the biggest transition and difference for farmers.
Speaker 3:It's not so much how you vote. You can be I don't think we need to get political but voting is only every four years and it's it is important. But the way you buy your products is what really changes the world. Because you're buying it from a local, organic, regenerative farmer, he's going to be able to grow his business, feed his own family, and that that's what really changes the world. So congrats on on doing that, not only for your family and your personal health, but for the farmers as well I mean, what a perfect day for this episode to be on, right I?
Speaker 2:just love it. Serendipitous, this is perfect. It's so great. You know, I'd love to invite you back on because there are so many more conversations we could have and get into depth about some more things. What? Tell me the name of the book again? Because I was putting the banner up and then I I just stopped so I could listen and stop typing 12 Universal Laws of Nature. Of Nature Perfect.
Speaker 2:Yes, and where can everybody find oh on Amazon Perfect perfect yes and where can everybody find? Oh on amazon, perfect, please go and find 12 universal laws of nature. I myself can't wait to to look into it and find out more. Um, is it on audible by any chance?
Speaker 3:oh, that's a really good question. I have to sit together with my podcaster, who wanted me to record it because, so that we can put it on audible, I have, yeah, there's so much, uh, other priorities for the moment oh, it's definitely going to happen this year good.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'd love to hear that, because that's my favorite way of um, you know, absorbing information, so that's wonderful. This has been such a great conversation and you have so much to share. Like I said, I'd love to have you back on to go over some more, some more things and talk about kind of, you know, just health and nature and how that we can really just become better for our environment. And, you know, typical neurotypical human is what we all are and we all should be concerned with our human bodies and the way that we're living in the world today. So I hope that you receive some wonderful information from this episode today and please go in and check out the 12 universal laws of nature and also follow um matthew on any social medias. Is there any things you'd like to share? Your socials and things?
Speaker 3:oh, just quickly. I'm active on a few platforms like on linkedin it's more business-minded and for investors and people that want to invest in regenerative farmland or real estate. Then on Instagram, it's more gardening tips and tricks and hacks and how you can become a regenerative gardener. That's a lot of fun. Also, some of that on TikTok and Facebook is also where you can find a lot of my information, both personal and about gardening.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for your time today. Thank you for joining us. What time is it there for you?
Speaker 3:Good question. It's now 7.45 pm.
Speaker 2:Okay's 1 45 here, so we're about that's not too bad of a difference six hour difference there, so wonderful I'm in the middle between the us and europe oh, and it is so beautiful, like I said, like I'm so lucky to have two, two friends now um in azores. So I think it's calling to me. I think that that's the universe giving me a special message, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for being here today. Please, listeners, go and check out the 12 laws of nature, 12 universal laws of nature, and also think about how you are using your gardening. What are you feeding your family? And, of course, if you have any autism questions or needs, reach out to me at any time you need to, and it was so nice to have you here today and I really look forward to staying in touch.
Speaker 3:Me too, sarah, thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 4:Thank you very much for having me, thank you. In the heart of the city she's shining bright. Oh yeah, stories of love and courage all throughout the night. Thank you. Love is a guide she'll never hide. She's changing the world for you With a heart that's racing strong. Empathy's a melody In a journey we all belong. Followers gather like stars in the night. So bright, 44,000 voices sharing in the night. Good night. She's changing the world for you With a heart that's fierce and strong and both leaves a melody, a journey we all belong. Through her eyes, a vision clear. Together we rise, shedding fears and every heart she plants a seed Understanding her love for dearly me. She changed the world for you With a heart that's fierce and strong. Empathies and melodies you, but the heart that's piercing strong, and both these are melodies, pretending we all belong.
